Episode 12: Keep Calm and Rethink Hell, with Justin Brierley

Justin Brierley, host of the UK radio program “Unbelievable,” joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date to discuss hell and a well-known Seattle pastor’s reaction when he discovered that Justin is a conditionalist.

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  • I never could “get” Mark Driscoll. I am just not masculine enough, I suppose. I’ve not enough testosterone anymore to care for Driscoll’s varied litmus tests for Christian orthodoxy.

    • Chris Date

      I like him, but on this issue, yeah he’s way off

    • Dan H.

      I wonder if doves are manly enough.

      • If they were part of some sort of warm up for a UFC match, they would be copacetic for Pastor Mark, perhaps.

  • Oh, and I meant to say great interview again, Chris. Justin makes it easy I imagine.

    • Chris Date

      Thanks :) He does, yes.

  • Roy

    I’m with Jonathan, Chris – great interview. I’ve heard Justin in other interviews and thought this was a really good mix of topics and great to hear Justin in this settig with the freedom to put forward some of his views. I’m finding I’m really looking forward to Wednesday mornings because of RH!

  • Not sure how conditional immortality / annihilationism would be an hindrance to reaching God’s elect sheep, whom He has known from the foundation of the world.

  • Mark Driscoll, the potty mouth pastor who cannot tell the difference between T.D. Jakes still supporting Modalism and the health and wealth gosple heretic…

  • So having now heard the exchange between Justin and Mark, I believe Driscoll’s problem is primarily with Justin’s egalitarianism more than anything else. That and the lack of “celebrity preachers”, it would seem, in the U.K. Christendom would be a far, far better place, I think, without the odd, very American aberration that is the celebrity preacher.

  • Trident343

    I got a good laugh out of listening to the Driscoll-Brierly interview. I can see that Justin doesn’t fit the exact persona of Proper Christian “Manliness” ROFL! All the same, I am happy Justin stood his ground. Celebrity preachers should be opposed when they behave or believe wrongly. Unfortunately many Christians, especially in the reformed camp, give celebrity preachers a certain elevated status somewhere between a heavenly anointing and a “made man” designation like in the mafia. We must all remember that scripture is the final authority…not preachers, not the books they write, but scripture alone. If we listened to the men as our authority, none of us would have embraced Conditional Immortality…

  • Keith Jones

    The resurrection is the focus we should turn to when an atheist brings up the fact that they believe in annihilationism. They need to hear the Biblical view of a resurrection of the just and the unjust and the judgement that follows. After a time of suffering only will the unjust be annihilated.

  • In Chris and Justin asking about whether it will matter to an atheist if they are presented with either the traditional view or annihilation, it may not make a difference in how they view their current situation of being lost and dying for eternity (an argument that traditionalists use – that God’ judgement and wrath are not taken seriously if people are facing death instead of eternal torture), but it very well might change the way an atheist views God, His nature and character, and assuaging the confusion an atheist will feel in trying to reconcile a God of love with eternal torment. That may make all the difference between making an atheist into a believer.

    • Chris Date

      Good point :)

  • Tom

    Great Interview, both, and thank you!

    As a Brit, I was proud of Justin’s humility and sensibleness — so often Brits talking with Americans come across as pedantic and arrogant. re Chris — you are such a good host, and don’t say the Brit accent sounds more educated, as some of the clearest communicators I hear are Yanks (American) !!

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