Episode 2: A Final Word With Edward Fudge (Part 2)

Hell: A Final WordPart two of Chris Date’s discussion with Edward Fudge, author of The Fire That Consumes, who shares his story and talks about the recent movie that tells it, and about his latest and final book on the topic of final punishment, Hell: A Final Word. Also, we share the first installment of a segment telling the story of formerly convinced traditionalists who are now rethinking hell.

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Additional Links

  • “How I Became a Conditionalist,” by John Roller (http://rethinkinghell.com/audio/John-Roller-How-I-Became-a-Conditionalist.mp3)

Podcast Outline

00:46
Welcome
01:30
Episode 1 recap
01:52
Intro to episode 2
02:05
Start of Episode 2
02:15
Surprises that convinced Edawrd of Conditionalism
03:15
Edward Responds
03:53
Surprise #1: Conscious torment never pictured, but death
06:00
What a relief! The words mean what they say!
06:38
What a relief! The character of God remains intact
06:50
Personal Struggle (Ch. 45 of book)
07:10
Edward responds
10:05
Ch. 50: The Evangelical climate and a prediction about the future
10:20
Edward responds
13:31
Where is the debate headed? A new “traditional” view?
13:46
Edward Responds
14:20
Official view of the Church of England
15:47
Stackhouse mentioned (not by name, but as successor to Packer
also unnamed)
16:12
Universalism the new debate that will be taken up
16:50
Diversity within Conditionalism
17:15
Edward Responds
18:26
Soteriology no impact on this view, unless devotion to creed demands it
19:00
annonymous example given where creedal commitment prevents a change of heart
20:38
Closing Question: Ch. 2
Edward had to share what he had found
21:40
What’s the best the opposition has to offer?
21:50
Edward Responds
25:33
Edward mentions Hell Under Fire (without naming it) as currently the best available
26:51
What encouragement for those feaful of fallout?
27:05
Edward: Biblical language at face value (no need to explain away plain wiords)
30:19
Last Question: What final word for those who aspire to carry the torch?
32:05
Edward’s story (had no idea the impact book would have, just committed work to God)
33:25
Being faitfhul with what we’ve been given the main point
34:00
Chris closes/transitions to Conditionalism Conversion story
35:08
John Roller’s story of conversion from traditionallism to conditionalism
44:53
Chris wraps up
45:16
Outro music
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  • theistic_evolutionist9

    People who believe in evolution may as well be atheists!?!? Really?!?!

    I would think that people who hold to annihilationism / conditionalism would be more sensitive to others who have different views within the confines of orthodox Christianity than themselves. After all, they are quick to take offense when other evangelicals claim that their beliefs are heretical.

    • Chris Date

      Can you point me to where in the recording that’s said, and by whom? I don’t recall Edward or me saying something like that.

      • theistic_evolutionist9

        It was John Roller during his testimony.

        I can give you a time if you would like.

        On a side note, I really like the podcast even if I may as well be an atheist. j/k

        • Chris Date

          Gotcha. For the record, John Roller isn’t a part of the Rethinking Hell team, and his statements should not be considered representative of the views of us at Rethinking Hell.
          Thanks so much for listening to and enjoying our podcast!

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