Episode 1: A Final Word With Edward Fudge

Hell: A Final Word
Edward Fudge, author of The Fire That Consumes, joins RethinkingHell.com contributor Chris Date to discuss his story, the recent movie that tells it, and his latest and final book on the topic of final punishment, Hell: A Final Word.

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Podcast Outline

00:00
Intro Music
01:30
Edward’s Recovery
03:25
Impact/Success of Edward’s book(s)
05:05
Hell and Mr. Fudge movie
07:50
Edward’s latest book: Hell
A Final Word (main subject of interview)
08:10
Why this new book?
09:40
Ch. 3: Primer on Hell / 5 agreements with Traditionalists
12:35
Disagreements with Traditionalists
15:50
Ch. 4: Which Hell? Traditionalists ARE Rethinking Hell
19:30
Ch. 5 and Going beyond Exegesis (emotional and philosophical considerations)
25:13
Edward’s Story
no stranger to controversey (Church of Christ fallout)
29:20
Ch. 12: Robert Brinsmead’s offer
34:20
A conference to (re)define Evangelicalism?
35:30
Surprising Truths (4 Pillars)
38:20
2nd Pillar: Intertestamental view toward ECT, solidified in NT?
40:30
3rd Pillar: Jesus the most to say about hell? (Die, Perish, Destroy)
43:15
4th Pillar: Immortal Soul
46:12
Chris closes and outro music
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  • Is that Glenn Peoples in the intro?

    • Chris Date

      Yep :)

      • Peter Grice

        It’s Glenn Peoples outside the intro too! Thanks for putting it together, Glenn!

  • I gotta say, I dig the whole “grindhouse” sound of the intro.
    Are you guys thinking of venturing into exploring other conditionalist interrelated topics? Like, say, Soul Sleep and the intermediate state, etc.? I think that could be fun. Is it appropriate to call such a thing “fun”? ;o)

    • Chris Date

      Thanks to Glenn for the great intro :)
      I suspect we’ll talk about mortalism/consciousness in the intermediate state, physicalism/dualism, etc., but while Peter and others can correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t think we’re going to advance one view over the other, since all the views of nature of man and the intermediate state are compatible with conditionalism. Rather, I suspect we’ll promote the compatibility of each of those views with conditionalism.

      • Peter Grice

        That’s a definite maybe! Chris is spot on. We’ve determined that one can be a consistent conditionalist and still hold to differing views in those areas. So they are indeed interesting, fun, and relevant, but ultimately of little consequence for our main focus. We might enter a second phase of what we’re doing, where we move a bit more into exploratory territory. Our bloggers may decide to chime in with their view in this or that area, but our project as a whole will remain nocommital. :)

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  • Lora Gorton

    Very interesting. Mr. Fudge’s view sounds like my daughter-in-laws view of what happens after she dies. She is an Atheist and simply believes we becomes worm food when we die.

    No judgement just Annihilation.

    • Chris Date

      We believe there’s judgment, too, and we believe said judgment will not follow death, but resurrection. And the means by which this everlasting loss of life will be brought about is by execution, probably a painful, violent one. So while there may be some surface similarities with the atheist’s view of death, there are far more important differences.

      • Lora Gorton

        I just read this review on IMDB about “Hell and Mr. Fudge”. It said, “I loved this film. It was so beautiful, hopeful and moving. I have
        never watched a movie that has changed my life like this one. It not
        only has a great script, acting and music but the message is so
        refreshing. I think that this film resonates with what bother Atheists
        most about mainstream Christians.It is not very often that you get a
        new perspective of hell and God’s grace.”

        Chris I’m hoping to learn more because our new daughter-in-law as of two years ago was a committed Christian. Now she is full of hate for Christ and his followers. Our son is no longer a believer also but he is the quiet loving type. Wanting to understand why they no long believe I picked up Lee Strobel’s “The Case For Faith”. I did a google on J.P. Moreland and found your article about your opposing views.Thought I’d better start with the first episode to learn more.

        • Peter Grice

          That’s a difficult thing, Lora. Christianity has always courted scrutiny and self-correction, basically because it claims revealed knowledge and historical events as its basis. No believer or nonbeliever should hesitate to investigate its claims. As believers, we’re able to consider a “rethinking” process without concern that we will end up rejecting everything. What we’re open to rejecting is just human interpretation, if it turns out to have been mistaken.

          I’ve seen people move from faith to atheism, and sometimes with a change of personality. It is such a shame that many churches don’t prepare Christians to scrutinize and course-correct what they believe, and facilitate those who have sincere doubts. In case you haven’t come across it yet, http://www.apologetics315.com is one of the best websites for resources in this sorely needed area of apologetics. If your daughter-in-law or son may be open to some no-pressure email dialog about their skeptical concerns, I’m confident I could connect them with the right person if you mention it here. Just a thought!

        • Chris Date

          Peter’s absolutely right. We just don’t do enough to prepare and train our children to engage thoughtfully with the criticism leveled against our faith. Apologetics 315 is a good place to start with that.

          Thanks for happening upon our neck of the world wide woods :) We hope that, whether you change your views or not, you come away edified and with a better understanding of the issues involved. And don’t hesitate to ask if you have any questions.

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